Friday, January 27, 2012

And the votes are over

And I've decided on the series to focus on next.



350 vs 286. 56% vs 44%. By the votes alone, Hyouketsu Kyoukai had a lead over Sayonara.

However, That's not a overly large lead that Hyouketsu Kyoukai is holding. And considering that...

1.) Comments that are for Sayonara are generally much more convincing as to why I should continue the series first.
2.) Me, Drkmerc, Alice, Yebanis, Sveroz and Wing have unanimously preferred Sayonara over Eden, for various different reasons.

And so, even though it's against the votes, I feel that the 2 points above are enough to overturn the small difference in votes (and I did say votes will not account for anything). Well, sorry to all the people who voted for and prefers Hyouketsu Kyoukai. Looks like you guys will have to put up with Sayonara Piano Sonata for quite a while.



Next, I am still seeing many requests for Onii-ai (here and some other forums elsewhere), so I guess I'll just make it clear here. Onii-ai is sort of the stepping board which I had used to make this blog known to the rest of the internet community (well, more of like Oreimo summaries, but whatever), and it will be the project which I will definitely give it the topmost priority as long as this blog stays alive. Should the completed Chinese translations for vol 4 pops out the next day, I'll be pausing Hyouketsu Kyoukai and Sayonara Piano Sonata to work on that. However, that's IF the Chinese translations comes out. I don't really know the progress of it, or if it is being worked on at all. There are the official Chinese translations to fall back on (which I purchase), but it is currently only at volume 1, and optimistically speaking, the earliest it will take to get vol 4 published is 6 months. And because of the lack of materials to work on, Onii-ai will be currently on hiatus till I get my hands on something. It's on hiatus not because I don't want to work on it, but because I can't.

If there's any Jap -> Eng translators who want to take over from vol 4 onward due to my poor command of Japanese and the pathetic dependence on Chinese translations , feel free to do so. Kindly inform me so I can scrap it off my projects list. I can then perhaps add a replacement sis-con harem series in there (which there are quite a few), or just focus on the remaining two titles.



Well, that's all.

61 comments:

  1. Noooo.........
    My Eden..........
    Sniff...Sob.....

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    1. Just asking, but is there anything which you are not awed by?

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    2. awesome is awesome XD

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    3. I am Awed. By your translations. Nothing more, nothing less.

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  3. I will miss Eden. Thanks for all the TLs.

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  4. Great! Onii-Ai should be the priority, as I said in my comment at the vote.
    Of course, is the priority but only if there is material to translate ;)
    Excellent decision my friend ;)
    And good luck with all this projects ;)
    Regards...

    Nahu

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  5. please erase that ? mark next to my name, i go for PIANO!!!

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  6. Wohoooo!, well, sorry for the people that voted for eden, but if you haven't, read piano, it really is worth it, do so!, keep up the amazing work you've done till now :)

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  7. Well, I can't say I'm sad, since I ended up choosing Piano over Eden.

    Believe it or not, I did spend a considerable amount of time considering both series and, well, I realized that, all considered, I like Piano better.
    Even though Eden have the action, and it is also unbelievably amazing, it just don't give me that heart warming feeling Piano always manages to convey. Also, I don't care if you only consider Mafuyu-chan a "standard loli tsundere", she is too f*king kawaii and after having a look at the volumes ahead, I just need to know how it develops.


    Although, Onii-ai is still my number one I guess, even though is just one of many "incest" love stories one should find easily, it still brings me a lot of joy. Also, Akiko is lovely, and as long as I live none of you shall ever try to woo her, otherwise thou shalt face my wrath.

    And I understand that you need the chinese translators to be done with it before you work on it, and that leads me to my question, is there anything we, english-speaking readers, can do to convince them to translate? Considering they haven't started yet.

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    1. Theres not much you can do, they will pick it up whenever they wish/want to. Guess they are not really into it compare to other chinese light novels =P.

      So keito, is mushi uta 2nd place for u? I'm sad to know that =(

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    2. I'm sad that you are sad, by it would be a lie to say it wasn't.

      Although, i must admit, Mushi uta already overcame Piano, and I believe it is gradually overcoming Onii-ai. Mushi is still my second, but that may change, given enough time.

      But I must say now, even if Onii-ai becomes my second, Akiko is still mine, in not joking about that wrath thing.

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    3. I guess i will take Shii-chan then, =) or Daisuke's Harem!! AHHH!!!

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  8. I look forward to the continuation of piano, hopefully featuring lots of love and revolution. And everyone likes sis-con harem series, it warms my heart.

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  9. I don't mind if you focus on piano sonata first but... PLEASE DON'T PAUSE THOSE TWO FOR ONII-AI!!

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  10. So there really was no point to that vote. You guys most probably wanted the time off, and called an unncecessary poll.

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    1. That is a rather bald argument.

      They probably did it because they wanted to see which one we liked best, and they used the results as a base, if it have been 90% Eden and 10% Piano I'm sure they would do Eden. I was more a gathering of intel then a decision.

      And so what if they wanted to get some time off?
      They are people who study or have jobs, not translation machines.

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  11. Well that's too bad. One less thing to look forward to I guess. But having us vote when you were always going to do piano anyway is kind of mean spirited....

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  12. My Eden!! Nooooo! i guess i'll start on sayonara then... and hope it's good enough to hold me over though apparently it is...

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  13. Moral of the story: Nek0 love executive decisions, almost as much as his rl imouto, :D:D:D

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  14. The votes are used to see the relative popularity of the projects among the readers. If there are overwhelming number of people who prefer either (2/3), I would have went according to what the readers wanted. To be perfectly honest, I don't mind doing either, and I am really not decided then.

    Ultimately, I have stated in bold that I'll not base my results on purely the votes alone. Comments about how Sayonara Piano Sonata is unique in its music + romance theme has also lent weight in my decision making. There are many other fantasy series out there in Baka Tsuki, as stated in the comments, but there's not really much series in Baka Tsuki that you can compare with to Sayonara Piano Sonata. Someone mentioned something about Nodame Cantabile, but that's manga, and not a LN.

    Also, it makes sense for me to work on what my editors prefer to do, should the difference among the choices of the readers not be that great, and in that aspect, the preference is overwhelming.

    And me holding the votes just so I can take a break is stupid. I am the translator of this blog, and I can hold any breaks I want indefinitely if I want to.

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    1. It makes sense for you to work on what your editors prefer, and I have nothing against that. Personally I only worked on projects I liked myself.

      Everything else is just an excuse though. If you want to do something you'll find a way, if you don't want to do something you'll find an excuse.

      It seems to me you did the vote expecting Piano would win, but since it didn't you found other excuses. Just step up and say "This is what we want to work on" plain and simple without the other BS.

      It's your right as the person doing the work to choose what you do or to even quit if you want. But naturally people are going be disappointed if you dangle something in front of them and make them think they are getting it, then jerk it away at the last second and leave them with the knowledge it was a trick all along. And please don't insult me by acting like it wasn't a trick. I expected Piano to win when I saw it was being put to a vote, and you should have too. The actual results were unexpected.

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    2. On the contrary, I have expected Hyouketsu Kyoukai to win by a huge margin. It is the more popular series with more replies and responses. Also, it is talked about on Baka Tsuki forums, plus it is more favorably rated on Baka Updates, one of the main traffic sources to this site. Moreover, I've started the polls right after Eden ends, so that gives it more exposure to the Eden readers.

      I've no idea why you think Piano will win. It's pretty damn obvious from day one that Eden will win. It's just the margin of victory.

      You are not me, so stop guessing around with your silly assumptions, and putting words into my mouth.

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    3. He said from the beginning that the poll wasn't going to be the only factor in deciding the next project when he first put up the poll, so please go back and re-read that post.

      It's obvious he's explaining why he chose Piano over Eden, he's not making up excuses and the explanations are valid. He even said if Eden got as many votes as we expected we would go with it even if all of us preferred Piano, but I bet if we did what you wanted instead of what he wanted you wouldn't be posting that kind of comment.

      I don't think any of us expected Piano to win either, from my convos with Nek0 we both seemed to agree that Eden was more popular with the majority of people who visit the blog and that was true, but obviously not that many more since Piano wasn't that far behind in the poll.

      I think you're the one insulting Nek0 by saying he tricked you guys, he genuinely wanted everyone's opinion on it and he made a decision based on many factors and I think it was a fair decision. He translated 2 volumes of Eden rather quickly, which is more than enough on his part, and if he wants to he will continue the 3rd volume later on so just be patient, in the meantime you can still enjoy another series which you might not like as much as Eden but is still a good series worth reading.

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    4. Yeah yeah. That's too bad. I hoped you'd be honest in the end, but oh well.

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    5. >He doesn't agree with me, so he must be lying.

      Keep telling yourself that.

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    6. Actually, what I tell myself is "He's already lied once, so this is probably a lie too."

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    7. Right. And show me cold hard proof where I've actually lied. I won't accept any conjectures either, because that's what you've been saying all these while. Somehow, you actually seem to know me better than me! Come on. I'm waiting to be humored by you. Don't disappoint me.

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    8. If I could prove you never intended to do Eden beyond reasonable doubt, that would be interesting. But I can only use your actions and words here, and you can make up an endless stream of excuses for those. I can show you your intentions, but most people won't accept that as real proof.

      And if you could prove you actually did this with fair intentions then there would have been nothing I could say. But you can't, that's why you keep falling back on saying you wouldn't go on votes alone.

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    9. "Vote on which series you prefer to be done next. While I will not base my decision entirely on the polls itself, it will definitely influence my decision. Also, feel free to voice out your opinions here."

      >While I will not base my decision entirely on the polls itself



      Reading comprehension. Do you have it? I've already mentioned it since I started the votes. It will NOT be based solely on the votes.

      And you do know what you've said is nothing more than conjectures - baseless slanders and accusations which people will find hard to swallow, especially when I am the one you are referring to. I've already stressed in bold that the votes is just part of my decision making process, but you seems adamant about how I should decide with just the votes alone.

      Stop being butt-hurt and accept the fact that I have factored other things in, and chose not do your favorite series which you have voted for. If you are not happy, feel free to close the browser and leave. I am sure there's other LNs out there that is more worthy of your time. I am done here.

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    10. Looks like that one really got to you. I figured it would though, since people like you are only capable of things like this. You can't actually refute what I've said, so you have to resort to deleting my comments or other things. Good luck.

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    11. @Anonymous Jan 28, 2012 07:22 PM
      i dont get it, even if they did intend to do piano all along why are you crying about it? like some nameless anon is gonna change anything about it. i like how the internet shows how stupid people really are and how sad their attempts at sounding smart are. "herp derp hehe my opinions are fact and you cant disprove my opinions" that's so moronic its not even funny O.o

      btw you can read more eden here someone else translates it, http://bit.ly/AxFa84

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    12. Yes, I mad.

      Because you are a fucking retard. I thought that my quote about how I won't take votes as the sole reason would be good enough, but no, you choose to ignore it and keep pissing me off. Here's my last attempt to get this fucking idea into your head. I'll be deleting all your other posts, because YOU are the one who kept insisting on your stand without proof, because somehow, you insist that your fucking guesses are correct.

      1.) I've stated in the post that I won't take votes as the only source of consideration.

      2.) Seems like you can't think into things deep enough as to see why there's a blatant disadvantage to having an unregistered voting system where everyone can vote without logging into some sort of account. I'll spell it out for you, even though I was lazy and never got around to do it. Everyone can continuously vote by IP changing. The votes are never accurate to begin with, and can only serve as a gauge which I use to base my decision on. Basing a decision entirely on a random anonymous vote is as stupid as going onto 4chan, open up a thread and asking posters to post Y/N replies, and base your decision on which has the most replies there. And this is also why I can't ban a retard like you as you've asked, because you are posting anonymously, and I can't ban shit. Blog don't give me the option to IP ban you as well. Now apply the fucking logic to the polls. If I really want to translate Sayonara from day 1, I can rig the polls. Retard. Then that will save me from all the trouble of explaining things to a stupid dumb fuck like you. Learn to computer if you haven't already. This is not a forum. The vote was not done on a forum. This is a blog where people can vote and post anonymously. You don't take votes in its full value here.

      3.) And the above reason is why I look into comments as well, because those take substantially more effort to write, and easy to spot spams. Those who are for Sayonara give better replies.

      4.) You never post anything to substantiate your arguments, and you never even refute anything I had said with substantial proof other than "herpderp I interpret it as it is, and so I am right". Read Sayonara? I feel like Mafuyu now, because that's what you are doing. Twisting my words and interpreting them wrongly.

      There is no conspiracy. The votes are a gauge, a tool that I use to base my decision on. You know why voting systems for a president works? Because everyone has to fucking register for it. You know why it is stupid to base a decision sorely on an anonymous voting system? Because people can rig the votes by voting multiple times. Get this into your fucking head, and quit pissing me off.

      And oh, before you say that I have resorted to vulgarities, I am a 4chan lurker. Habits die hard when I talk to retards.

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    13. ***Incoming Wall of Text***

      Replying to all of that guy's comments in order.

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      "It seems to me you did the vote expecting Piano would win, but since it didn't you found other excuses. Just step up and say "This is what we want to work on" plain and simple without the other BS.

      It's your right as the person doing the work to choose what you do or to even quit if you want. But naturally people are going be disappointed if you dangle something in front of them and make them think they are getting it, then jerk it away at the last second and leave them with the knowledge it was a trick all along. And please don't insult me by acting like it wasn't a trick. I expected Piano to win when I saw it was being put to a vote, and you should have too. The actual results were unexpected."

      He said before that the poll results were going to be one of many factors in his decision making. In fact, he's actually giving the basis on which he made the final decision, but you perceived that as giving excuses. The key words in this post is "it seems to me"; you're basing every single claim on assumptions, and somehow you mistook them as facts.

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      "Actually, what I tell myself is "He's already lied once, so this is probably a lie too.""

      Nek0 never once lied in any of his posts. He only said that the poll would influence his decision, but not by how much. If you seriously think he lied to you, then you must have a severe case of selective retention.

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      "If I could prove you never intended to do Eden beyond reasonable doubt, that would be interesting. But I can only use your actions and words here, and you can make up an endless stream of excuses for those. I can show you your intentions, but most people won't accept that as real proof.

      And if you could prove you actually did this with fair intentions then there would have been nothing I could say. But you can't, that's why you keep falling back on saying you wouldn't go on votes alone."

      This is essentially what you're saying:
      > I can't prove that you did it, but I'm right because you can't prove that you DIDN'T do it.

      This is appealing to ignorance. The accuser is ALWAYS the one that has burden of proof, not the accused. That and people won't accept you "showing someone's intentions" as proof because you can't actually read minds. If you actually believe you "know" a person's intentions for doing something, then you must be a narcissist that thinks every single idea that has ever been generated by your brain must be absolute truth.

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      "Looks like that one really got to you. I figured it would though, since people like you are only capable of things like this. You can't actually refute what I've said, so you have to resort to deleting my comments or other things. Good luck."

      He's deleting your posts because they're a waste of bandwidth. Just as you have the ability to argue with us in anonymity, we have the ability to censor anything and everything you write. If you can't live with that, gtfo.

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    14. By now you should be deleting my messages without even reading them. Which means it doesn't matter what I say. So I just thought I'd say thanks for being so gullible. I actually don't like Eden, and I'm a fan of Piano. Because of this hopefully you'll be focusing on Piano more, thinking you got me, but you'll never know because you delete my messages, lol.

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    15. I really doubt any of what you wrote will ever change the way they do things, since the beginning they had a objective in mind, translate the freaking novel, and they always did it, and did it better than I ever thought possible.

      I firmly believe your comments where nothing more to them than what they were to me, funny.
      As seeing a little kid go berserk because she didn't get an iphone for Xmas. :P
      And I don't imagine they screaming at the screen as they wrote it.
      They were just explaining the 6 year old he can't have the iphone. :P

      By that I mean, thank you for the laughters. :P

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    16. Notice how he completely disregarded all the faults I pointed out in his statements. He probably doesn't have the mental capacity to comprehend anything I wrote. Any logical argument is wasted on this guy.

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    17. Dear Anonymous,
      Are you deliberately trolling for the sake of it? You know, deliberately irritating people until they flip out or otherwise react in a way that generates laughs, or "lulz"? Are you an Anonymous (hacker group) wannabe?

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    1. Eh, maybe there will be more in the future. I hope, lol. Though probably not in the near future. ;/

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    2. After my semester ends, I'll resume Eden along with Sayonara. I am really too busy this semester to be juggling both. So the dual translating will come somewhere around May.

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  16. I don't get why people are into sis-con harem series. Aside from the ancient Eqyptians, I don't know of any culture around the world that promotes incest.

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    1. Well, Japanese anime culture I guess. :P

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    2. 2D helps i dont think many of us would actually be into incest IRL lol

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    3. What!?!?!? Your not a siscon??? Just kidding

      Keito would probably make Akiko a legal imouto before marrying her lol
      Also for the pleasure of being called onii-chan I should steal Akiko away, wrath of god sounds tasty

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  17. YA YOU'RE STARTED UP EDEN AGAIN!!!... No I actually read the post, I'm sorry, I look forward to more piano, I'm sorry. Haha overall I'm liking piano, I hope the story focus more on the other characters as well in the next volumes instead of a story for two people; however that still wouldn't be bad. His childhood friend seems like only a childhood friend with a onesided love. kagurazaka-sempai should push all three down and ra-- I mean form her own hare-- I mean show us she could take what she wants. They should give Mafuyu a "tsuide ni tsukutta dake dayo!" line while handing him a bento and looking away.

    For now you get the "onii-ai seal of approval" to make piano's very own, one and only, mayumayu into our mascot "imouto"

    (=´∀`)人(´∀`=) d(^_^o)

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  18. Boo, I hate you Nek0. Your probably doing this to hide your precious Iris from me :<

    Well, might as well start reading Piano now... hopefully =/

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  19. damn, i didn't know there was a vote. but all's well that ends well. piano v2, here i come~

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  20. I like both series so it doesn't matter to me much, watever suits your tastes.

    As for [Onii Ai], i realised that the Jap->Chinese translations are not that fast either. Some are around 2nd-3rd volume, eg Wenku8 and Wfeel. I read chinese too slow so english it is!

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  21. No just translate with the pace you are comfortable. If you can't and don't have time to do 2 series then do as you see fit. Sigh,,its just like this where there some people go whining about their series doesn't get translate. It's up to the team whether which series they are doing, it's not like you pay them to read their translation.

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  22. zgmfx09a, don't bother replying to anonys. The more popular the series you are working on, the more bitches you have to deal with. Best way I found is totally ignore them. Treat them as non-existent. People hate to be treated as non-existent. And if they keep posting without getting any replies from you when you reply to other posts, they will start to look stupid.

    Piano is good because it's written by Kamimemo's author XD.

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  23. well for desperate enough to read eden just get the raw, ocr it and google translate...off to read volume 1 of piano...

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  24. I'm actually amused by reading the comments more than reading the actual light novel XD. BTW you're a 4chan lurker, Nek0?

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  25. Good god, seeing these whiny comments is like looking at youtube comments with all the twelve-year-olds whining for 'moar minecraft plx'

    They said voting alone wasn't determining it. Maybe you should have written more of a well-thought out comment than 'i likez eden.' Grow up and deal with what you're given...

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  26. Oh, thanks a lot, I didn't expect this, looking at the votes, but i'm so glad you chose to continue Piano.

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  27. yay.. thanks a lot. i love u translator!
    now i can't wait for piano V2..

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  28. Damn, I'm late. I don't read Sayonara LN but reading the manga it doesn't look like anything special, if else it's boring and rather superficial, Hyouketsu is just regios clone but at least it got monster and sword which is every man's romance (although, the novel's writing need improvement) :p.

    Oh well, I respect your opinion regardless, thanks as always!

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    1. I think it is silly to judge LNs based on the manga though. The mangas can make a LN look better or worse.

      I personally feel that the manga is inferior in any single way. But I guess differing tastes.

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  29. Hey if Onii-ai does start getting translated from jap to english will you like tell us where to read it (I do really appreciate your work till now and I REALLY hope the chinese translation does continue)

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